running masters: 3000m or 5000m?

18 September 2009

3000m or 5000m?

I Still have residual pain in my blasted right knee!

It seems to be getting better as the days (weeks ) go by!

Of course the rest will further improve the chances of the pelvis being mended when (if ) I get going again!

So what is the problem?

Why don't I get it checked out by a Consultant? = I'm in denial mode!

I have a suspicion it could be another stress fracture!!!

I don't want believe that is the case so I'll just wait till I cant feel it and then run again.

If all is good = excellent!

If all is not good = I must have some career threatening condition! ?

At work today I was making idle chit chat with a guy who said "I hear your a runner?"

my reply was

"well I was!, but I've been injured for a year"

- my response somewhat surprised me - perhaps sub consciously this lay off really has had me asking questions about my running career!!

So I thought I would write about something more positive and it is that age old question what is your best event?

For me it is a toss up between the 3 and the 5000m. As a kid when I first stepped up from 3 to 5000m I remember what a significant impact those extra 5 laps appeared to have!

I run 5000m just like I run 3000m, flat out, hard as I can all the way!

So, 5000m is a killer!! = More Pain!

At age 17, I set my PB's 3000m 8m23 and 5000m 14m31 .

My Masters Career kicked off in 2005 and here is every track performance since:

Date

3000m

Place

Cat Place

Race/Championship

29.10.05

10m01

2nd

M44 1st

QMA SAF Nathan

26.11.05

9m58

2^nd

M44 1^st

QMA SAF Nathan

17.12.05

9m50

3^rd

M44 1^st

QMA SAF Nathan

14.01.06

9m49

1^st

M44 1^st

QMA SAF Nathan

11.03.06

9m46

3^rd

M44 1^st

QMA SAF Nathan

2.04.06

9m35

4^th

M44 2^nd

QMA State Champs

SAF Nathan

16.09.06

9m12.4

1^st

M44 1^st

QMA SAF Nathan

14.10.06

9m09.0

1^st

M45 1st

QMA SAF Nathan

11.11.06

8m59.44

3^rd

M45 1^st

QMA SAF Nathan

2.12.06

9m09.6

1^st

M45 1^st

QMA SAF Nathan

16.12.06

9m17.99

1^st

M45 1^st

QMA SAF Nathan

13.01.07

9m14.2

3^rd

M45 1^st

QMA SAF Nathan

10.02.07

9m06.4

2^nd

M45 1^st

QMA SAF Nathan

2.03.07

9m02.58

1^st

M45 1^st

QA St. Lucia

4.03.07

9m08.36

2^nd

M45 1^st

SEQ Champs Sippy

Downs

18.03.07

9m06.26

3^rd

M45 1^st

QMA State Champs

SAF Nathan

30.11.07

9m22.54

8^th

M46 1^st

QA St. Lucia

15.12.07

9m15.01

2^nd

M46 1^st

QA SAF Nathan

19.01.08

9m09.13

2^nd

M46 1^st

QA SAF Nathan

25.01.08

8m56.46

3^rd

M46 1^st

QA St. Lucia

9.03.08

9m26.66

1^st

M46 1^st

QMA State Champs

SAF Nathan

Date

5000m

Race

Cat Place

Race/Championship

19.11.05

17m22

2nd

M44 1st

QMA SAF Nathan

11.02.06

17m37

1^st

M44 1^st

QMA SAF Nathan

27.02.06

17m03

5^th

M44 2^nd

QMA State Champs

SAF Nathan

23.09.06

15m58

1st

M44 1st

QMA SAF Nathan

4.11.06

15m38.61

2^nd

M45 1st

Pan Pacific Champs

Gold Coast

21.02.06

15m29.6

8th

M45 1st

QA Open Champs

26.02.06

15m48.2

3^rd

M45 1st

QMA State Champs

SAF Nathan

8.04.07

15m46.38

1^st

M45 1^st

AMA National Champs

Hobart

8.06.07

15m41.6

8^th

M45 1^st

Mauncell Distance Classic

St. Lucia

8.12.07

16m07.71

1^st

M46 1^st

QMA SAF Nathan

21.12.07

15m53.07

3^rd

M46 1^st

QA Gold Coast

6.02.08

15m42.82

12^th

M46 1^st

QA Open Champs St Lucia

23.02.08

15m58.51

1^st

M46 1^st

QMA State Champs SAF Nathan

23.03.08

15m58.31

1^st

M46 1st

AMA National Champs Sydney

30.05.08

15m41.44

9^th

M46 1st

Mauncell Distance Classic St. Lucia

So, am (was) I a better 3k of 5k runner?

3 comments:

Samurai Running said...: Chin up Mr. Sweeney!

You really were a hell of a runner and injury or not, still are.

I used to surf at a pretty high level and still consider myself a "Surfer" even though I haven't surfed in years. You have earned the right to say you're a "runner" for as long as you like I reckon.

All the best with a comeback.; September 19, 2009 at 4:18 PM
David said...: Hi Scott,

Thanks for your comments much appreciated.

You can imagine the frustration I feel not being able to run when I want to run! - it does at times seem never ending and it is difficult remaining positive!

I am, actually, optimistic and I think, another week, and I'll be running again!!

Bet you were a real Hotdogger in your time!
S'Later; September 20, 2009 at 8:14 PM
F Mahony said...: 3000m or 5000m?

Answer: According to the McMillan Running Calculator: 3000m

3000m in 8.57 should result in 5000m in 15.36 so your recent 3000m best time is better than your 5000m

Of your runs when you were younger, your 5000m is the best performance.

I am impressed with your masters results!

You might be able to help me.

I am a runner with somewhat similar performances ( 7 seconds slower over 5000m) from my younger days.
Also returning after 17 years rest.
Born: 1961.
PB: 1500m 4:00.98 Age 29
PB: 3000m 8:39.96 Age 29
PB: 5000m 14:38.20 Age 29
PB: 10000m Track 31:07 Age 28
PB: 20km Road 64:30 Age 25
PB: 21.1km Road 68:31 Age 28
PB: 42.2km Road 2:36:44 Age 24

Retired at 30 due to pronation causing pain on outside lower legs.

Returned to exercise: swimming 2 years ago.
Returned to running 1 year ago.
Height: 185cm
Original running weight: 60-65kg
Current weight: 70kg (Down from 85kg 2 years ago)
Current performances:
Asgrove Flying 4km: 14:31
BRRC 5km road: 17:58
BRRC 7km road: 25:23

Current training: Swim 2km each morning - various sessions. Includes 1 hour Tri session each Thursday.
Evening: Cycle or run.
In younger days:
Run 120 km per week.
Currently per week:
Swim 14km
Cycle 100km
Run 30km

Mon night: 7.5km jog
Wed night: 4 x 800m track
Thur morning: 4 or 5km Tri run
Frid night: 4km medium or hard
Sat: 4km jog
Sun: Race: 5km or 3-5km run as part of Tri race.

Slowly trying to increase km, need to add a 15km run in there each week.

The question:

Can you share with us what trainng you have been doing to get the results you have achieved, including managing an aging body?

What would you see as an ideal weekly training schedule to achieve the results, assumming of course that someone has roughly similar ability?

I do note that your 5000m PB of 14:31.4 was at age 17, compared to mine at age 29. I suspect you might have a lot more natural talent than me, which is a compliment and an explanation of why you have been able to get down under 9min for 3000m.

Regards Frank Mahony; September 29, 2009 at 9:07 PM

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Year Best Performances

1975 age 13

1500m 4m43.0

3000m 9m54.0

1976 age 14

1500m 4m20.0

3000m 9m04.0

1977 age 15

1500m 4m14.5

3000m 8m44.6

1978 age 16

1500m 4m03.3

3000m 8m39.0

5000m 14m59.0

1979 age 17

1500m 3m57.7

3000m 8m23.7

5000m 14m31.4 PB

1980 age 18

1500m 4m00.4

3000m 8m33.6

5000m 14m33.6

1981 age 19

1500m 4m04.8

3000m 8m32.0

5000m 14m42.9

10000m 31m09.4 PB

1982 age 20

1500m 3m56.2 PB

3000m 8m24.4

1986 age 24

1500m 4m04.5

3000m 8m29.2

5000m 14m46.5

1990 age 28

1500m 4m01.4

5000m 14m38.4

1992 age 30

1500m 4m04.4

3000m 8m41.0

2005 age 44

1500m 4m37.4

3000m 9m50.0

5000m 17m22.0

2006 age 45

1500m 4m19.6

3000m 8m59.5

5000m 15m38:61

10000m 33m03:05

2007 age 46

1500m 4m19:48

3000m 9m02:58

5000m 15m29:6 Qld M45 Rec

10000m 32m12:27

2008 age 47

1500m 4m18.30

3000m 8m56.46 Qld M45 Rec

5000m 15m41.4

10000m 33m28.56

Half Marathon 72m12

2010 age 49

3000m 9m18.6

5000m 16m02.65

2011 age 50 in September

1500m 4m22.15

3000m 9m15.98 Qld M50 Rec

5000m 15m50.18

10000m 32m53.23

2012 age 51 in Spetember

3000m 9m13.53 Qld M50 Rec

5000m 15m57.66

parkrun 17:18

2013 age 52 in September

3000m 9;31.69

parkrun 16:09

2014 age 53 in September

1500m 4;27.7

3000m 9;26.50

5000m 16;02.46

parkrun 15:48

10000m 33:37.83

2015 age 54 in September

3000m 9;16.98

5000m 15;54.71

parkrun 15:56

10000m 33;03.74

Half Mara 73;20

2016 age 55 in spetmeber

1500 4:35

3000m 9;42 Qld M55 Rec

5000m 16;22

parkrun 16:24

10000m 33;15 Qld M55 Rec

Half Mara 73;42

2017 age 56 in September

1500m

3000m 9;36.2 QLD M55 Rec

5000m 16;37.60

parkrun 16;21

10000m 33;56.26

10km 34;33

15km 53;59

20km 73;57

Half Mara 73;13

25km 1;30;46

30km 1;51;36

Date	3000m	Place	Cat Place	Race/Championship
29.10.05	10m01	2nd	M44 1st	QMA SAF Nathan
26.11.05	9m58	2^nd	M44 1^st	QMA SAF Nathan
17.12.05	9m50	3^rd	M44 1^st	QMA SAF Nathan
14.01.06	9m49	1^st	M44 1^st	QMA SAF Nathan
11.03.06	9m46	3^rd	M44 1^st	QMA SAF Nathan
2.04.06	9m35	4^th	M44 2^nd	QMA State Champs SAF Nathan
16.09.06	9m12.4	1^st	M44 1^st	QMA SAF Nathan
14.10.06	9m09.0	1^st	M45 1st	QMA SAF Nathan
11.11.06	8m59.44	3^rd	M45 1^st	QMA SAF Nathan
2.12.06	9m09.6	1^st	M45 1^st	QMA SAF Nathan
16.12.06	9m17.99	1^st	M45 1^st	QMA SAF Nathan
13.01.07	9m14.2	3^rd	M45 1^st	QMA SAF Nathan
10.02.07	9m06.4	2^nd	M45 1^st	QMA SAF Nathan
2.03.07	9m02.58	1^st	M45 1^st	QA St. Lucia
4.03.07	9m08.36	2^nd	M45 1^st	SEQ Champs Sippy Downs
18.03.07	9m06.26	3^rd	M45 1^st	QMA State Champs SAF Nathan
30.11.07	9m22.54	8^th	M46 1^st	QA St. Lucia
15.12.07	9m15.01	2^nd	M46 1^st	QA SAF Nathan
19.01.08	9m09.13	2^nd	M46 1^st	QA SAF Nathan
25.01.08	8m56.46	3^rd	M46 1^st	QA St. Lucia
9.03.08	9m26.66	1^st	M46 1^st	QMA State Champs SAF Nathan

Date	5000m	Race	Cat Place	Race/Championship
19.11.05	17m22	2nd	M44 1st	QMA SAF Nathan
11.02.06	17m37	1^st	M44 1^st	QMA SAF Nathan
27.02.06	17m03	5^th	M44 2^nd	QMA State Champs SAF Nathan
23.09.06	15m58	1st	M44 1st	QMA SAF Nathan
4.11.06	15m38.61	2^nd	M45 1st	Pan Pacific Champs Gold Coast
21.02.06	15m29.6	8th	M45 1st	QA Open Champs
26.02.06	15m48.2	3^rd	M45 1st	QMA State Champs SAF Nathan
8.04.07	15m46.38	1^st	M45 1^st	AMA National Champs Hobart
8.06.07	15m41.6	8^th	M45 1^st	Mauncell Distance Classic St. Lucia
8.12.07	16m07.71	1^st	M46 1^st	QMA SAF Nathan
21.12.07	15m53.07	3^rd	M46 1^st	QA Gold Coast
6.02.08	15m42.82	12^th	M46 1^st	QA Open Champs St Lucia
23.02.08	15m58.51	1^st	M46 1^st	QMA State Champs SAF Nathan
23.03.08	15m58.31	1^st	M46 1st	AMA National Champs Sydney
30.05.08	15m41.44	9^th	M46 1st	Mauncell Distance Classic St. Lucia